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it was basically a cube with inside of

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and as already

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announced a few weeks ago myself and dan

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reviewed the new documentary the aerial

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phenomenon all about the aerial school

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incident uh from the 1990s it was a huge

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event something that we've talked about

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for a long time on the podcast we knew a

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documentary was coming and i'm glad to

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see we have the director and producer of

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said documentary randall nickerson

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joining me on the podcast now randall

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how are we hey great

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thanks for having me on you're very

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welcome and thank you because you have

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been a busy guy the last couple of weeks

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haven't you yeah it's been uh

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it's been the super bowl of of of times

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you know yeah and you know what in a

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very positive way because right off the

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bat people who have listened to the the

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interview that are the the reviewer

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sorry myself and dan done will know it

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was very positive um though people uh

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know how honest we are and right off the

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bat this was very much a documentary we

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both enjoyed massively and it's going to

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be good to talk to you about it and

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first question randall for you is when

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did you first become aware of the aerial

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story itself

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1995 i saw the first time i saw the

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forgot about it

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and uh wondered and i just you know when

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you see kids interviewed like that

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somebody's making you know there's a lot

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you can tell that i could see in that

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first interview or first time i saw that

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and um yeah that made me interested

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and i've heard you say on another

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interview that you never really had an

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interest in the ufo subject before

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before this would that be right

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you know i was built growing up building

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know or that wasn't my thing um

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anything i wanted to really look into

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many will be will be planning on

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watching it can you take us through a

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high level overview of the actual event

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the event that was covered because there

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were so many witnesses but what happened

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aerial school who witnessed a

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that was doing bizarre things um and

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they watched it several you know a large

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the bottom of the playground and looked

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atrocities filming atrocities was his

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foreigners correspondent wasn't he for

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the ufo story and the fact he was so

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serious about it and so adamant that no

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this happened and this is something

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documentary also focuses on as well

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we should be able to talk about these

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things a lot of people see weird things

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early days and

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zimbabwe um but when i went over to the

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teachers meeting the the kids that are

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that archival footage that many of us

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and a level when john mack is introduced

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this documentary that when he comes into

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of view he approaches it you know forget

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the ufo story he asked them about their

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feelings their thoughts and that's when

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story doesn't it that's correct yeah it

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sensitivity you know to uh to even know

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specific uh questions

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suicide on drug addiction i mean he's he

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this road which he was correct about uh

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that man should be honored to be honest

287
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yeah and you see some of the the

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juxtaposition of how people see him then

289
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and now throughout the documentary you

290
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see clips of some of his colleagues

291
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lambasting his choices and talking about

292
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the ufo subject in a serious way and i

293
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don't know how closely you follow avi

294
00:10:57,509 --> 00:10:53,839
loeb but i saw a lot of similarities now

295
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avi loeb's a harvard astrophysicist who

296
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famously last year on a zoom call had

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his colleagues calling him out in the

298
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same way

299
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criticizing and mocking his talking

300
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about the ufo subject and him writing a

301
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book about it and i just see a lot of

302
00:11:12,069 --> 00:11:10,640
similarities there as well but

303
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you mentioned a lot of things have

304
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changed in terms of the stigma around

305
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the subject but things like that are

306
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still stopping that mainstream

307
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attachment from from really serious

308
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people and that that's still

309
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disappointing

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you know it's going to you know we're

311
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it's going to take us a while

312
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i'm glad we're things are moving forward

313
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but i think for a lot of people it's

314
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just hard to wrap your head around it

315
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and

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the unfortunate thing i think that

317
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you know we like to think we're the

318
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smartest things out here and

319
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that's a tough one to confront that

320
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we're not

321
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but of course i mean you look out in the

322
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universe boy

323
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someone's someone's had to be driving

324
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around out there for a while

325
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we're kind of late on the game to be

326
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honest

327
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well something or someone certainly

328
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seemed to have landed on the outskirts

329
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of that field and one of the children

330
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that day of the the 80 or 100 or so who

331
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reported it was emily trim and emily is

332
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a huge part of this story she's her

333
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narrative is woven through the film and

334
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she very much goes on her own journey

335
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from the start to the finish we keep

336
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coming back to her how it's impacted her

337
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growing up through life we hear about

338
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our family

339
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was it difficult to get emily on board

340
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and then i'd like you to talk on maybe

341
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trying to get some others on board who

342
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wouldn't quite go on camera

343
00:12:33,590 --> 00:12:32,160
sure yeah i mean it's not exactly what

344
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people want to do

345
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um

346
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yeah i owe emily an enormous amount of

347
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gratitude for taking the risk and all

348
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the other kids

349
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who just

350
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were you know what

351
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willing is not willing to go on camera

352
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is really not what would happen they

353
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trusted that i would make not you know i

354
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was going to tell the truth and not make

355
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them look like fools

356
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you know

357
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and and there was no reason to make them

358
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look like fools because they weren't

359
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but it was trust and um

360
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you know and there were many that um

361
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told me the same story

362
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all the same thing

363
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and they were really honest and scared

364
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to go public about it and i get it it's

365
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it's not exactly i think i hope those

366
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people will come forward now

367
00:13:27,430 --> 00:13:25,120
you know to to share what they also

368
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saw because there's people that were not

369
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even

370
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on camera

371
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who saw

372
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a lot of detail specific detail and

373
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that's why i wanted to get them on

374
00:13:41,430 --> 00:13:40,480
camera so bad but you know people one of

375
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them

376
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she's in she's an attorney you know she

377
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was going to college to be an attorney

378
00:13:48,790 --> 00:13:47,279
and her dad said don't do it it'll kill

379
00:13:51,829 --> 00:13:48,800
your career

380
00:13:53,670 --> 00:13:51,839
and um and she didn't but she'll come

381
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forward eventually

382
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and i suppose you're right that it's a

383
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trust thing because it's one thing to

384
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sit in front of the camera and and tell

385
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the story and you can tell someone that

386
00:14:03,829 --> 00:14:02,160
you're going to do it seriously and

387
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objectively and treat it with a

388
00:14:08,150 --> 00:14:06,000
dignitate deserves but then they see a

389
00:14:10,069 --> 00:14:08,160
finished product and that's got you know

390
00:14:11,590 --> 00:14:10,079
interesting drum music over the top of

391
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it and little flying saucers coming

392
00:14:16,230 --> 00:14:13,760
across the screen and the presentation

393
00:14:18,150 --> 00:14:16,240
of it can really let that person down

394
00:14:19,990 --> 00:14:18,160
and i think we see that and sometimes in

395
00:14:22,230 --> 00:14:20,000
other documentaries not just on the ufo

396
00:14:24,550 --> 00:14:22,240
subject but in any walk of life where

397
00:14:26,710 --> 00:14:24,560
you cut in mid-sentence or you stop

398
00:14:29,269 --> 00:14:26,720
something halfway through and the total

399
00:14:31,030 --> 00:14:29,279
context can be lost so there is a huge

400
00:14:33,910 --> 00:14:31,040
element of trust and again i appreciate

401
00:14:36,150 --> 00:14:33,920
why anyone let alone an attorney

402
00:14:38,470 --> 00:14:36,160
wants to stay away from the subject as

403
00:14:40,470 --> 00:14:38,480
it stands at the minute but

404
00:14:42,150 --> 00:14:40,480
has anyone since the documentary come

405
00:14:44,069 --> 00:14:42,160
out like those those people being in

406
00:14:45,910 --> 00:14:44,079
touch to to either comment on the

407
00:14:47,990 --> 00:14:45,920
documentary or even said they perhaps

408
00:14:49,990 --> 00:14:48,000
regret not being involved

409
00:14:52,150 --> 00:14:50,000
no i haven't had none of that if

410
00:14:53,269 --> 00:14:52,160
anything i'm still having witnesses come

411
00:14:55,590 --> 00:14:53,279
forward

412
00:14:58,069 --> 00:14:55,600
i mean even though it's took taken 15

413
00:14:59,430 --> 00:14:58,079
years to it'll be 15 years in september

414
00:15:02,629 --> 00:14:59,440
when i started

415
00:15:04,790 --> 00:15:02,639
but every single year every few months i

416
00:15:07,189 --> 00:15:04,800
get an email you know from somebody else

417
00:15:08,389 --> 00:15:07,199
that was either there as a witness or

418
00:15:10,230 --> 00:15:08,399
somebody was

419
00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:10,240
on the scene right after or somebody

420
00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:12,399
that lived right near there like i mean

421
00:15:14,949 --> 00:15:14,160
it's not stopped

422
00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:14,959
so

423
00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:17,760
there's a lot more people

424
00:15:22,710 --> 00:15:20,240
i just that i hope speak up you know

425
00:15:24,790 --> 00:15:22,720
really because uh i think this was a

426
00:15:26,870 --> 00:15:24,800
very very unique event

427
00:15:28,710 --> 00:15:26,880
i know it's not the only one there's

428
00:15:30,069 --> 00:15:28,720
tons of events that happen that nobody

429
00:15:31,509 --> 00:15:30,079
even knows about

430
00:15:33,030 --> 00:15:31,519
but this one

431
00:15:35,509 --> 00:15:33,040
you know because of everybody that was

432
00:15:37,189 --> 00:15:35,519
involved in it and thank god they filmed

433
00:15:38,790 --> 00:15:37,199
these kids at that time because if they

434
00:15:41,350 --> 00:15:38,800
didn't we would not be talking about

435
00:15:43,350 --> 00:15:41,360
this yeah i don't think without that

436
00:15:44,389 --> 00:15:43,360
footage and the documentation of the

437
00:15:46,470 --> 00:15:44,399
time

438
00:15:48,949 --> 00:15:46,480
there's a story there that that stays

439
00:15:50,949 --> 00:15:48,959
for the length of time it has and i want

440
00:15:53,110 --> 00:15:50,959
to know you go out to zimbabwe pretty

441
00:15:55,590 --> 00:15:53,120
early on and no doubt you've visited

442
00:15:57,350 --> 00:15:55,600
several times to film what you filmed

443
00:15:59,670 --> 00:15:57,360
what surprised you most about the

444
00:16:01,590 --> 00:15:59,680
location were there any feelings or

445
00:16:04,389 --> 00:16:01,600
stories particularly you weren't

446
00:16:05,269 --> 00:16:04,399
expecting that really jumped out at you

447
00:16:07,030 --> 00:16:05,279
oh

448
00:16:11,189 --> 00:16:07,040
that happened every day

449
00:16:13,670 --> 00:16:11,199
um i i guess uh

450
00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:13,680
well just one one thing that struck me

451
00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:14,880
and uh

452
00:16:18,310 --> 00:16:17,120
because i went to wales to to look into

453
00:16:20,949 --> 00:16:18,320
the

454
00:16:23,829 --> 00:16:20,959
just as a reference of an event that had

455
00:16:25,990 --> 00:16:23,839
happened before i went to wales and

456
00:16:27,670 --> 00:16:26,000
to pembrokeshire

457
00:16:29,749 --> 00:16:27,680
there was an incident there

458
00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:29,759
at a primary school and

459
00:16:34,629 --> 00:16:31,440
when i was driving around there i'm like

460
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:34,639
my gosh this is just like rua

461
00:16:39,350 --> 00:16:36,959
the roads were similar it was really out

462
00:16:40,870 --> 00:16:39,360
there you know with

463
00:16:42,629 --> 00:16:40,880
remote

464
00:16:45,110 --> 00:16:42,639
um

465
00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:45,120
that surprised me i was like god i think

466
00:16:48,949 --> 00:16:47,600
i'm in zimbabwe but no i was in wales

467
00:16:50,629 --> 00:16:48,959
anyway there's just one thing that came

468
00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:50,639
off the top of my head and i met a lot

469
00:16:54,629 --> 00:16:52,720
of the whales witnesses

470
00:16:56,389 --> 00:16:54,639
um who were who didn't want to go on

471
00:16:57,910 --> 00:16:56,399
camera because they'd had it they'd

472
00:16:59,749 --> 00:16:57,920
already been on camera and they're just

473
00:17:01,829 --> 00:16:59,759
like forget the media we don't want to

474
00:17:03,430 --> 00:17:01,839
even talk to anybody anymore

475
00:17:05,350 --> 00:17:03,440
we know what happened we're not going to

476
00:17:06,630 --> 00:17:05,360
talk anymore it's affected our lives too

477
00:17:08,230 --> 00:17:06,640
much

478
00:17:10,549 --> 00:17:08,240
so i heard that over and over and over

479
00:17:12,630 --> 00:17:10,559
but they shared with me which was really

480
00:17:16,390 --> 00:17:12,640
i appreciate that

481
00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:16,400
um there were surprises all along i mean

482
00:17:20,549 --> 00:17:18,480
i didn't even know the bbc was there in

483
00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:20,559
the beginning to be honest i it took me

484
00:17:23,189 --> 00:17:22,319
two years to find him

485
00:17:26,949 --> 00:17:23,199
he was

486
00:17:29,110 --> 00:17:26,959
living a very quiet life and uh

487
00:17:31,510 --> 00:17:29,120
yeah there are multiple surprises i mean

488
00:17:34,230 --> 00:17:31,520
every new witness that i went to see and

489
00:17:36,150 --> 00:17:34,240
talked to was a surprise you know

490
00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:36,160
i was always waiting for okay where's

491
00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:37,600
the person that's going to say it was

492
00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:39,600
made up of

493
00:17:42,789 --> 00:17:41,200
yeah the person was going to say it was

494
00:17:44,070 --> 00:17:42,799
hoax you know i was looking for those

495
00:17:45,510 --> 00:17:44,080
people

496
00:17:47,350 --> 00:17:45,520
and uh

497
00:17:49,510 --> 00:17:47,360
and they weren't there i kept getting

498
00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:49,520
that same story of like no it really

499
00:17:52,230 --> 00:17:50,960
happened

500
00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:52,240
you know

501
00:17:56,150 --> 00:17:54,400
something very very strange happened

502
00:17:57,430 --> 00:17:56,160
that day even people that don't want to

503
00:17:59,350 --> 00:17:57,440
talk about it that's what they'll tell

504
00:18:01,350 --> 00:17:59,360
you

505
00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:01,360
when it comes to the ufo subject many

506
00:18:06,150 --> 00:18:03,360
people getting involved it's it's quite

507
00:18:08,230 --> 00:18:06,160
simple that are there's things or beings

508
00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:08,240
or our craft traveling from other

509
00:18:11,830 --> 00:18:10,080
planets to this planet

510
00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:11,840
as you get more involved in the subject

511
00:18:15,990 --> 00:18:13,280
and you start to hear alternative

512
00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:16,000
theories you hear about you know as

513
00:18:21,029 --> 00:18:18,000
consciousness playing a part are there

514
00:18:22,230 --> 00:18:21,039
aspects of of potentially time travel

515
00:18:23,830 --> 00:18:22,240
and some of the things that were

516
00:18:26,070 --> 00:18:23,840
involved that came out in the the

517
00:18:28,390 --> 00:18:26,080
documentary where the idea that the

518
00:18:30,070 --> 00:18:28,400
being seemed to be jumping about and

519
00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:30,080
there's potentially an idea that they

520
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:31,440
were they were slipping in and out of

521
00:18:34,789 --> 00:18:33,120
time or there's some sort of

522
00:18:37,110 --> 00:18:34,799
gravitational

523
00:18:38,789 --> 00:18:37,120
what effect happening

524
00:18:40,870 --> 00:18:38,799
are those things that you were aware of

525
00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:40,880
before you started filming or are those

526
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:42,480
ideas that you now embrace

527
00:18:47,029 --> 00:18:43,840
where do you sit with the idea of the

528
00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:47,990
um

529
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:50,320
that's a deeper question but yes i am

530
00:18:55,270 --> 00:18:52,640
aware of time manipulation

531
00:18:57,110 --> 00:18:55,280
and i don't know how that's possible

532
00:18:58,630 --> 00:18:57,120
but if you think about it in physics

533
00:19:01,029 --> 00:18:58,640
around gravity

534
00:19:03,270 --> 00:19:01,039
when you have a very strong gravity

535
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:03,280
gravitational field

536
00:19:07,270 --> 00:19:05,600
you can if it's powerful enough you can

537
00:19:08,070 --> 00:19:07,280
manipulate time

538
00:19:10,390 --> 00:19:08,080
um

539
00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:10,400
well we know that from black holes

540
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:12,559
um so

541
00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:14,240
i don't know i i

542
00:19:16,870 --> 00:19:15,120
you know

543
00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:16,880
the hard thing about this like i didn't

544
00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:19,120
want any special effects at all because

545
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:20,400
how am i gonna

546
00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:23,039
recreate something i can't even

547
00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:24,400
we don't even know

548
00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:26,320
really and it's not even worth trying to

549
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:27,760
represent it

550
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:28,960
because

551
00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:31,679
we don't there's nothing human that uh

552
00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:33,679
you know as a human being that i'm not

553
00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:35,120
going to be able to represent that in

554
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:37,120
any a lot of people wanted to do special

555
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:38,400
effects and

556
00:19:41,909 --> 00:19:39,679
it's like no

557
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:41,919
it's not going to happen because

558
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:44,880
it's the purp it's the witnesses that uh

559
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:46,880
are the ones that saw

560
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:49,360
i can't recreate what they what they saw

561
00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:51,120
and don't want to

562
00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:53,440
you know what i mean yeah normally in a

563
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:56,559
documentary i i don't mind a basic

564
00:20:00,789 --> 00:19:58,720
special effect recreating and to show

565
00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:00,799
you especially things like the tic-tac

566
00:20:04,710 --> 00:20:02,640
here's where it was here's how it moved

567
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:04,720
and here's what it shot off but it can

568
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:06,720
be relatively cheap and cheerful but it

569
00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:08,480
gets its point across

570
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:10,799
what what you have with this event and

571
00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:12,320
this experience

572
00:20:15,990 --> 00:20:14,240
are actually a lot more powerful but

573
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:16,000
much simpler is that the drawings the

574
00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:17,200
children done

575
00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:18,960
and i think those are fascinating for

576
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:21,039
all they're they're so different they

577
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:23,600
all depict the same event

578
00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:25,120
little differences here and there but i

579
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:26,799
remember speaking to one of my guests

580
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:29,120
some time ago talked about how

581
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:31,440
if you ask you myself and my wife about

582
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:33,600
our wedding day we're both going to tell

583
00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:35,360
you a very similar story but certain

584
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:37,600
details throughout it might be slightly

585
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:39,840
different than each of us remember who

586
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:41,440
cut the cake first and you remember

587
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:43,760
speaking to such and such and someone

588
00:20:47,669 --> 00:20:45,679
fell on a chair leg and tripped up

589
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:47,679
actually it was someone else and it's

590
00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:49,120
not the fact that either of you are

591
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:51,200
lying it's just with time your memory

592
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:52,960
changes and plays little tricks on you

593
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:55,280
and you and you misremember things

594
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:57,520
but what these kids done was

595
00:21:01,430 --> 00:20:59,520
the most fantastic documentation you can

596
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:01,440
get at the time was let's draw what

597
00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:03,520
we've seen and what was it like when

598
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:04,960
you're at the school and you see those

599
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:06,159
drawings and

600
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,440
you're seeing

601
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:09,120
what those children remember from that

602
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:10,080
day

603
00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:11,440
yeah i guess the drawings were the

604
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:13,600
special effects um

605
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:15,919
yeah i i mean the drawings came in over

606
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:19,120
a long period of time i only had a uh

607
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:21,200
i don't know maybe

608
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:23,520
12 or

609
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:25,919
15 in the beginning and then i kept

610
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:27,600
receiving you know kept finding more and

611
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:29,760
more like who's got who has that who has

612
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:31,600
these so i ended up with i don't know

613
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:32,880
how many i have now i think i have

614
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:35,120
almost every single one of them

615
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:38,240
um but it took time um but yeah i looked

616
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:40,480
at the drawings i mean from six years

617
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:41,280
old

618
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:43,360
all the way up to 13.

619
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:45,760
it's a pretty wide range and you know

620
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:47,760
everybody it's interesting because you

621
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:50,080
know some kids are better artists than

622
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:52,799
others to depict what they have seen

623
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:54,720
and i love the pictures that i also have

624
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:58,880
other drawings of what the kids drew uh

625
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,880
of the teachers

626
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:02,640
it's really funny

627
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:03,840
like

628
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:05,440
you know how they depicted their

629
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:07,760
teachers in drawings and uh that had

630
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:09,679
nothing to do with that day but i just

631
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:12,559
found it fascinating

632
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:14,799
how each individual kid had their own

633
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:17,440
you know way of expressing themselves on

634
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:19,679
a piece of paper

635
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:21,600
with crayons

636
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:23,280
many people talk about

637
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:25,600
other entities aliens non-human

638
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:27,200
intelligences whatever you want to call

639
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:29,919
them and it can be very divisive there's

640
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:31,840
a whole group in camp that

641
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:34,320
really refuse to see anything other than

642
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:36,080
positivity and

643
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,559
benevolence and you know a sense of

644
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:40,640
warmth and compassion and there are

645
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:41,919
others that talk about you know

646
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:44,000
abductions and and

647
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:46,159
scary experiences and even in this

648
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,559
documentary i thought it interesting i i

649
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:50,880
put across the point that for me a lot

650
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:52,880
of the the retelling of the stories from

651
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:54,640
the children's point of view even now as

652
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:55,760
adults

653
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:57,679
it wasn't particularly a pleasant

654
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:00,400
experience they they mentioned feeling

655
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:02,880
scared or an element of fear or the

656
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:05,679
beings wanted them to go with them and

657
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:07,120
funnily enough one of the listeners

658
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:08,799
messaged me saying they took away

659
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:10,880
something different and they felt it was

660
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:12,960
more of a positive experience

661
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:14,880
how did you feel speaking to those

662
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:16,640
witnesses whether it was on the phone

663
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:19,679
zoom calls skype or or face to face how

664
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:22,880
they reflect on the experience overall

665
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:25,840
yeah most it was always face to face um

666
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,430
well i think

667
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:37,350
any time you see something that uh

668
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:39,039
unusual you're gonna have fear that's

669
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:41,360
just a normal response

670
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:42,960
and particularly when it's something

671
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:45,679
that's not even supposed to exist

672
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:48,320
uh i know this i i personally just don't

673
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:51,440
get into the evil good evil conversation

674
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:52,480
or

675
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:55,679
way

676
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:57,039
in uh

677
00:24:02,549 --> 00:23:59,039
outer space so to speak i think anything

678
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:02,559
we see we're gonna have all kinds of

679
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:06,400
you know reactions to it um but i've

680
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:09,840
studied this subject fairly well and you

681
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:11,919
know

682
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:14,159
it's very similar in my opinion like

683
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:15,840
what we do to wildlife

684
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:19,600
and human beings due to wildlife my god

685
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:23,760
we we we tag them we track them we kill

686
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:26,159
them we do you know there's a lot of

687
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:28,880
animals we eat i mean

688
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,159
god what what

689
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:32,640
so if you think of

690
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,640
uh because i do a lot of photography

691
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:36,480
when i'm out in the wild i'm like boy i

692
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:39,200
guess i'm the alien to them

693
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:40,320
you know

694
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:42,480
they don't understand the technology i

695
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:45,039
have they don't understand any of that

696
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:46,720
but they look at me and they look at me

697
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:48,960
in the eyes and and say is this person

698
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:51,279
gonna hurt me or not i don't know

699
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:52,880
you know what i mean and i think it's

700
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:54,559
actually really similar to that we're

701
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:55,760
dealing with

702
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:57,039
i think

703
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,039
a species that's way more evolved than

704
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:01,360
us and

705
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:04,000
i don't think their intention is

706
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:04,960
you know

707
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,679
world domination or any of that stuff

708
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:09,360
that we've seen in movies i just don't

709
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:11,440
think that's the case

710
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:13,279
why there's probably a bunch of other

711
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,760
planets just like ours you know

712
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:17,919
we know that you know that there's

713
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:20,080
likely life-sustaining planets out there

714
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:21,039
so

715
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:24,000
we're not as special as we think

716
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:25,840
you've mentioned a few times it's been

717
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:27,840
almost 15 years to make this documentary

718
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:31,039
it will be 15 years come september

719
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,520
did you watch any other ufo type

720
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:35,360
documentaries during the creation of

721
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:37,919
this one so you're saying no obviously

722
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:39,440
if you're listening to this in audio

723
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:41,200
randall shook his head there so i was

724
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:42,960
going to follow up did anything like

725
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:45,200
that help influence you or in that case

726
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:47,679
if not what did influence you in making

727
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:51,750
uh

728
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:54,159
what really influenced me i know i have

729
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:56,080
been sort of off the grid for a long

730
00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:59,760
time not really watching anything um

731
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:02,159
what really influenced me was my

732
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,520
wildlife shooting you know of you know

733
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:07,679
filming wildlife

734
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:10,400
in all over the place alaska for months

735
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:12,400
and months and africa for months and

736
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:14,159
months and months

737
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:17,360
um and all over the world and

738
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:19,200
i wanted to tell

739
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:20,960
the story

740
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:23,520
in sort of a wildlife way like i was the

741
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:25,600
objective observer

742
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:27,760
you know filming from

743
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:29,120
a distance

744
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,240
and

745
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:32,799
letting things play out as they play out

746
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:35,039
which you'll see in the film it's it's i

747
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:38,159
don't i'm not none of that's rehearsed

748
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,640
nothing's rehearsed it happens in real

749
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:42,960
time as it's happening and that's

750
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:45,520
if anything guided me that was the was

751
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:47,840
was my experiences with wildlife and

752
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:49,760
wanting to capture and make a movie like

753
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:50,880
that

754
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:53,919
you know and um i i just wasn't

755
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:57,360
interested in uh i was interested in

756
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:58,400
what

757
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:01,279
military said about this subject matter

758
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:02,960
i was interested in

759
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:03,919
what

760
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:06,480
um

761
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:09,039
that that that level of people and like

762
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:13,440
that's that that i did go after and um

763
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:15,600
there's something there

764
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:18,000
and you mentioned that others wanted you

765
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:19,919
to put in things like special effects

766
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,520
one of the things i would absolutely

767
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:24,240
applaud you for myself is

768
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:25,919
lack of special effects when they're not

769
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:29,120
necessary uh lack of celebrities um you

770
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:30,880
know mr william shatner's an absolute

771
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:32,640
legend when it comes to the small screen

772
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:34,960
and the motion pictures but as he

773
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:37,679
necessarily required in documentaries

774
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:42,000
about ufos or tv shows about ufos um

775
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:44,720
where you encouraged like that to put in

776
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:46,720
other things that you you didn't want to

777
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:49,440
and also again just plaudits for not

778
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,880
injecting yourself throughout the

779
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,480
documentary which other people seem to

780
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:54,880
have an issue not doing as well

781
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:57,840
correct um uh yeah i had uh

782
00:28:02,230 --> 00:27:59,039
several

783
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:02,240
famous people that wanted to be in this

784
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:04,720
film and i had to say no and believe me

785
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:06,640
that was really hard

786
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,360
yeah you know it would have uh

787
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:11,679
it would have made the film at least on

788
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:12,880
a

789
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:19,200
no this is not

790
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:21,440
these people's story

791
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:22,640
um

792
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:24,480
so i i said no

793
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,799
uh i said no a lot

794
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:28,799
and it was really hard to say no to some

795
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:31,120
of the things that that have happened

796
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:32,960
um

797
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:33,760
so

798
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,720
that question

799
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:38,640
no i'll follow up a little bit on that

800
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:40,720
because um danny sheehan makes an

801
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,080
appearance late in the film and i

802
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:44,480
thought i think that very quick

803
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:46,799
appearance and it's left late he's not

804
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,799
inter interspiced throughout the the

805
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,880
film the documentary

806
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:52,399
really has much more of an impact

807
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:53,919
because you're not expecting that you've

808
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:56,320
not had talking head after talking head

809
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:58,640
after talking head it was oh there's

810
00:29:01,669 --> 00:29:00,399
danny shea and he comes and he makes a

811
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,679
point it's really relevant i think he

812
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,679
comes back a second time briefly

813
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:05,760
and then that's it and he's gone so

814
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:07,760
again that was that was really impactful

815
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:10,000
from from my point of view as well

816
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:11,919
and i think you're right that there's

817
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:14,000
one if you could advertise i'll use mr

818
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,919
shatner again not that he's listening um

819
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,760
if you could advertise william shatner

820
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:19,600
and aerial phenomenon

821
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:21,279
there's an element of marketing that's

822
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:23,919
done for you in that respect but i think

823
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:26,480
what you potentially get is people like

824
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:28,640
myself watching it and going ah we know

825
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:29,919
why they're there

826
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:31,440
they're not adding there's there's no

827
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,600
element of influence and it really takes

828
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:35,520
away from the story of people like emily

829
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:37,760
who's not a celebrity you know the the

830
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,200
people from the village telling their

831
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:41,360
stories the teachers who are now much

832
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:44,159
more elderly they get their screen time

833
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:46,080
and it's all all

834
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:48,000
in that final packaging product that

835
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:49,919
really i think is winning the hearts and

836
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,840
minds of many people out there which

837
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:53,520
from a longevity point of view i think

838
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:55,919
is much more beneficial

839
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:58,720
saying that is the final product

840
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:00,960
what you always imagined or has that

841
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,200
changed with the years

842
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:05,200
the final product was like four hours

843
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:11,750
uh yeah the the real hard part was to

844
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,480
connect condense this film down to an

845
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:16,640
hour and 39 minutes because yeah we had

846
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:18,000
to get close to an hour and a half

847
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:19,840
that's just the standard

848
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:20,880
um

849
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:24,080
and that took a long time because we had

850
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,240
to boil it down even though we have so

851
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:28,080
much more footage and so much more

852
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:30,880
interviews and everything but we had to

853
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:33,039
we had to get it down to a reasonable

854
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:34,880
time um

855
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:36,960
and you know we're i i want to address

856
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:39,440
it later when we do the director's cut

857
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:40,960
we can make

858
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:43,279
the longer cut but i'm satisfied that it

859
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:44,880
tells the story

860
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:46,640
do you know what i mean yeah very

861
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:49,520
specific uh

862
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:51,600
all the all the the the

863
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:54,399
the the big points are there

864
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:56,559
and non-repetitive and it's all first

865
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:59,679
person there's no second person here say

866
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,640
none of that

867
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:02,399
it's all first person

868
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:04,480
which is i that makes me feel good

869
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,080
because that's hard

870
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:08,240
you know it's not a second-hand story

871
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,000
somebody heard about everybody in the

872
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:12,720
movie was was part of it

873
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:14,000
if you took

874
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,320
finished product back time traveling 10

875
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:20,559
or 15 years to yourself and said watch

876
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:21,360
this

877
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:22,559
do you think you would have been happy

878
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:23,840
with it

879
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:25,519
no

880
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:29,760
uh

881
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:32,159
no i don't think it was ready at that

882
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:34,080
time more witnesses came forward and

883
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:35,840
more information came forward more

884
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:38,720
drawings more pictures more video

885
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:41,039
and it wasn't until maybe a couple years

886
00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:42,960
ago that i was like okay i think i've

887
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,679
got enough here to really really tell

888
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:47,039
this story

889
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,480
and um

890
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:50,720
you know with uh my

891
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:53,440
story editor christopher seward he was

892
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:54,320
just

893
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,360
amazing and my crew were amazing

894
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,600
because they saw it you know they saw it

895
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:01,679
too um

896
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:04,000
that over time like oh my gosh there's

897
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:06,080
even more you know you get a whole new

898
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:07,919
set of videos that are hours long of

899
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:10,720
these kids being interviewed in 1990s

900
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:13,679
1997

901
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:17,600
it's just wow it's the same thing

902
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:19,600
i know dan aykroyd is on the website is

903
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:21,360
saying i enjoyed the film greatly it

904
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:23,120
puts the issue in a touching emotional

905
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:25,200
place and dan aykroyd himself has a

906
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:26,640
really enjoyable documentary that you

907
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:29,200
can find on youtube and particular parts

908
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,399
for me about the phoenix lights are

909
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:32,159
really interesting and he's someone i'd

910
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:33,600
love to speak to down the line on the

911
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:35,600
podcast so there's been a lot of praise

912
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,960
from around the community as well and

913
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,320
that must be really heartening for you

914
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:40,320
at this point because it's 15 years of

915
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:41,360
your life

916
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:43,120
condensed to an hour and 39 minutes at

917
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:44,480
this point

918
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,679
yeah it's i i really appreciate the

919
00:32:50,230 --> 00:32:49,200
the support and everything because it's

920
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:50,240
been hard

921
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:51,679
it's been really hard

922
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:53,279
um

923
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:55,360
for everybody not just me but i i'm the

924
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:56,960
one that had to carry the weight for so

925
00:33:04,230 --> 00:32:59,840
long but i'm really happy and dan's is a

926
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,240
fantastic guy gotta say he's very

927
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:06,559
he's a very interesting man he's funny

928
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:08,159
he's so funny anyway

929
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:10,720
yeah kudos to dan and he's a ghostbuster

930
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,880
so you can't get much more higher praise

931
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:14,159
than that can you

932
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:16,320
um if you're going to ring about for a

933
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:17,840
recommendation or a review who you're

934
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:19,120
going to call i have to get that in

935
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:23,509
listen we're going to randall i

936
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:25,039
mentioned this before we even started

937
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:28,320
that the the distribution of the the the

938
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:30,640
piece itself hasn't been smooth sailing

939
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:31,919
and that's something that you've had to

940
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,679
address and your team have online and

941
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,120
again i've got to be fair and say

942
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,360
they've done a very good job of being

943
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:39,600
active on social media and i've seen

944
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:42,399
them engaging with people who have had a

945
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:44,960
not so smooth experience in terms of of

946
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:47,120
renting the documentary can you

947
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:48,640
elaborate a little more on what the

948
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:50,799
original plan was for distribution and

949
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:53,360
what changed

950
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:54,720
i can't

951
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:57,120
you know we we had big plans for dis

952
00:34:00,170 --> 00:33:59,600
distribution and

953
00:34:01,669 --> 00:34:00,180
um

954
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:01,679
[Music]

955
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:04,320
how do i put this um

956
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:07,840
i had to make a decision about um

957
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:09,919
a creative decision personally and then

958
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:12,720
i had a deadline also because you know

959
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:14,560
you have to pay for rights to use

960
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:17,919
people's footage and i had a deadline of

961
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:19,599
may 20th

962
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,240
and i didn't have a lot of time to to

963
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:24,560
to do that other you know to get the

964
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:26,960
film out i had to get it out

965
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:29,040
and um

966
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,879
so

967
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:32,879
everything was supposed to be smooth we

968
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:35,280
we did all the work i had it you know

969
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:38,000
and uh then our our site crashed right

970
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:39,520
in the beginning because we had so many

971
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:40,480
hits

972
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,839
on that first day

973
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:44,159
and we thought we were ready for that

974
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,159
we had a scalable server commercial

975
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:48,480
server

976
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:49,440
um

977
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:50,720
so

978
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:54,079
that failed and um just been

979
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:56,159
working since that time been working at

980
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:57,520
getting the bugs out because when you

981
00:35:03,670 --> 00:34:59,280
have that happen

982
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:03,680
uh it it was like a domino effect um so

983
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:06,640
in a way our release now is to get

984
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:08,720
what's what we're finding out is getting

985
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:10,960
the bugs out which we're pretty close to

986
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,680
uh

987
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:13,440
completing that

988
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:17,440
um i've had to hire a lot more people to

989
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:21,040
everybody's just overwhelmed you know

990
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:22,480
we knew it was going to do well and

991
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:25,200
we're going to go to likely a much

992
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:27,119
larger streamer

993
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,440
very very soon

994
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:31,359
but we wanted you know what i really

995
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:33,280
wanted to do was get the film out the

996
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:34,160
way

997
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:37,119
that i made it without any changes

998
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:38,079
um

999
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:41,359
before we get it to somebody bigger

1000
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:42,960
i can appreciate that and i think it's

1001
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:44,880
very easy for people to say online you

1002
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:46,960
know why didn't you just go to netflix

1003
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:48,480
or amazon prime and i don't think it's a

1004
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:50,160
case of of knocking on the door and

1005
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,160
saying hi mr amazon can you show my

1006
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:54,079
documentary it's not necessarily how it

1007
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:55,280
works is it

1008
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:56,800
well

1009
00:36:03,750 --> 00:35:59,680
we've we we've been dealing with

1010
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,760
really huge names for five years

1011
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:05,119
um

1012
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:08,160
but when it really came down to it

1013
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:10,720
uh yeah i mean we had we were talking to

1014
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:13,280
all those people so

1015
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:16,480
but again it came down to

1016
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:17,920
changes

1017
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:18,800
um

1018
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:21,599
people wanted to make that

1019
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:27,670
gonna gonna be i don't know

1020
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:29,119
and more like what we were talking about

1021
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:31,040
before having famous people in there and

1022
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:32,240
all that

1023
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:33,520
no

1024
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:36,079
it's their story it's their story let

1025
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:37,680
them tell it we don't need anybody

1026
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:40,160
famous or anybody in there every there's

1027
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:42,079
a lot of famous people in there just

1028
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,440
straight up

1029
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:45,359
so anyway it was a it was just a

1030
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:47,440
creative uh

1031
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:49,839
i had to stand up and say no to crazy

1032
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:53,430
say

1033
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:57,040
very recent example and we were very

1034
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:58,400
honest and i've told people to go and

1035
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:00,160
watch it and make up their own mind just

1036
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,240
our opinion but the way a tear in the

1037
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:04,400
sky turned out and i'm grateful uapx

1038
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:06,320
were so honest about the final product

1039
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:07,440
because it was really their their

1040
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:11,280
documentary that someone came in who

1041
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:13,520
provided funding that then had a

1042
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:16,800
creative license over uapx's project and

1043
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:18,560
it turned out the way it did

1044
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:21,040
and what we're seeing folks is that yeah

1045
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,640
there's been some hitchies and glitches

1046
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,240
in terms of distribution but what you've

1047
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:27,119
got is someone presenting and honest and

1048
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,720
what their vision was for a final

1049
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:30,960
product and not

1050
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:33,440
giving up that swaying creative control

1051
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,119
so if you can

1052
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:37,440
support now yeah you can wait and times

1053
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:39,440
are tough for a cost of living crisis

1054
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:40,960
god knows i've got people support this

1055
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:42,480
podcast who could wait and they could

1056
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,560
get it free but they choose to support

1057
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:46,160
if you really are interested in this

1058
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:47,760
subject and you want quality

1059
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:50,320
documentaries honest documentaries that

1060
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:51,599
are really getting to the heart of the

1061
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:53,040
subject then

1062
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,119
spend some money if you have it and rent

1063
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:57,359
the documentary well you can now because

1064
00:38:01,990 --> 00:37:59,040
it helps keep documentaries like this

1065
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,000
being produced in an honest and and

1066
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:05,040
reasonable way like you've done yeah

1067
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:06,400
it's hard

1068
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,920
you know and i encourage other

1069
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:09,599
filmmakers

1070
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:12,800
stand your ground like i know there's

1071
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:14,800
it's a lot of temptation

1072
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:15,920
you know

1073
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:17,599
but if you really want to get your

1074
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:19,839
vision done you got to stay with it and

1075
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:22,240
just say no to things that you

1076
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:25,040
are really difficult to say no to

1077
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:26,720
i want to ask though something that has

1078
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:28,880
come up from several several listeners

1079
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:31,440
as they they want to buy especially for

1080
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,680
when it's twenty dollars as the price

1081
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:35,520
they want to buy a copy but right now

1082
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:37,920
it's only available to rent what's the

1083
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:39,520
the reasoning behind that and when are

1084
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:42,079
the plans for it to be available to buy

1085
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:45,200
um we're we're most most when you do

1086
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:47,119
video on demand that's kind of the way

1087
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:48,320
it is they

1088
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,920
they don't sell it right away if you go

1089
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:51,359
to any other

1090
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:53,839
we're following the model that other

1091
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:56,640
video on demand people do

1092
00:39:02,230 --> 00:38:59,440
um and it's because you have you know

1093
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:02,240
i've i've got a million dollars out

1094
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:04,240
million dollars that i owe

1095
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,040
so

1096
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:07,680
uh if you sell it right that's this is

1097
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:09,680
why other people they don't do it till

1098
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,680
later because they need to get back

1099
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:13,680
their investment

1100
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:15,920
right and because once it once you start

1101
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:18,000
selling it it starts to go all over the

1102
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:18,800
place

1103
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,359
you know all over youtube

1104
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:23,520
you have less protection over it i mean

1105
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:24,640
we're going to do that there's no

1106
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:26,079
question about it

1107
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:30,800
um but we're following the vod model um

1108
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,760
uh for now um

1109
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:35,520
and we're gonna you know

1110
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:36,880
it's gonna be

1111
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:40,320
we're gonna see how things go and

1112
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,400
um adjust as we go

1113
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:44,640
you know but really the drive for me

1114
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:46,880
personally i just want everybody to see

1115
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:48,400
it you know

1116
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,640
not it's not really about the money and

1117
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:52,560
at the end of the day

1118
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:55,200
i want people to see this movie because

1119
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:57,839
everybody on the planet needs to see it

1120
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:59,119
to be honest

1121
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,640
and yeah no that's that's totally fair

1122
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:02,160
and i know there will be people because

1123
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:04,000
it's 2022 and this is what people are

1124
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,440
like who will say well if it's not about

1125
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:07,440
the money then give it away free but

1126
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:08,800
then you're a million dollars in the

1127
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:11,200
whole

1128
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:12,960
that's okay i understand that thought

1129
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,119
but yeah i got i gotta suffer with that

1130
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:17,760
if i don't pay that back i anyway yeah

1131
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:20,240
no no that's that's totally fair

1132
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:23,040
when when that uh movie uh documentary

1133
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,400
becomes available to buy you've

1134
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,720
mentioned a director's cut will there be

1135
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:28,560
things potentially like alternative

1136
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:30,800
footage and cutting room floor

1137
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,920
yeah

1138
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:33,440
well when i first started making the

1139
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:35,839
movie i started more of a science

1140
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:38,319
approach to it like factual like okay

1141
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:40,319
this this this and this number this

1142
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:42,079
person's over here and all the

1143
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:44,000
mathematical

1144
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:47,200
um and evidentiary stuff

1145
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:48,720
and then

1146
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,560
i kind of got

1147
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,400
through that and i'm like

1148
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,800
all right i'm convinced by what i am

1149
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:56,720
seeing you know that's the movie i kind

1150
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:58,240
of wanted to make in the beginning and

1151
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:00,319
then it was like no these people just

1152
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:02,800
need to i need to tell their story from

1153
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:03,760
them

1154
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:05,599
not me you know

1155
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:07,680
and i decided earlier on i didn't want

1156
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,480
to

1157
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:11,040
be in this movie like or interfere with

1158
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:14,000
that or have a narrator in there to

1159
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:17,119
interfere because narrators do

1160
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:18,880
um

1161
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,520
put opinion in and that's why

1162
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:23,520
it was so difficult to make this movie

1163
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:24,400
because

1164
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:25,520
everybody

1165
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,800
the the witnesses tell the story

1166
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:30,240
the people that were there tell the

1167
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:32,000
story there's no

1168
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:33,520
narration it's coming from these

1169
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:35,680
people's mouths

1170
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,760
there was one documentary very late last

1171
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:39,359
year that we reviewed that the

1172
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:41,440
overwhelming feedback on i won't name it

1173
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,640
because people don't know what it was

1174
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:44,400
and a lot of famous names from ufology

1175
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:45,920
were involved but

1176
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,240
the music played throughout without

1177
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:50,400
stopping and it was like the movie had a

1178
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:52,000
soundtrack the whole way through and it

1179
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:54,560
was so distracting that it never ever

1180
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:56,319
gave up and it really turned people off

1181
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:57,760
and like you say you're very much

1182
00:42:02,309 --> 00:41:59,599
watching a raw documentary here because

1183
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:02,319
you're focusing on the story the people

1184
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,240
what happened the the pictures the

1185
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:06,240
evidence and the testimony and again

1186
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:08,480
that that all really comes across and i

1187
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:10,000
just want to ask before we get to some

1188
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,160
listener questions randall to finish off

1189
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,400
if people have had difficulty accessing

1190
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,640
the documentary hopefully by this point

1191
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:18,480
that the bugs and such are being worked

1192
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:20,240
out and people have got their copies do

1193
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,520
you have the details of who they can

1194
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:23,359
contact

1195
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:25,760
yes uh

1196
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:29,359
it's support aerialphenomenon.com

1197
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:31,359
brilliant i'll put the details as well

1198
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:33,359
in the description of the podcast as

1199
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:36,480
well we're trying to get everything

1200
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:38,480
you know it's it doesn't make me feel

1201
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:40,480
good because we've spent such a great

1202
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:42,240
amount of time trying to get this

1203
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:44,560
perfect you know the film and everything

1204
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:47,599
else and our launch was uh

1205
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:49,760
not acceptable to me in a lot of ways

1206
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,680
you know but but i tell you everybody's

1207
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:53,359
working so hard

1208
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,200
you know and we and we're bringing on

1209
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:57,440
new people so we can get help you know

1210
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:59,839
more help hands on deck

1211
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:01,520
i just want to check randall the the

1212
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:04,079
email address on the twitter account is

1213
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:06,400
tech at aerialphenomenon.com should it

1214
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:07,520
be that or support at

1215
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:10,079
aerialphenomenon.com

1216
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:13,040
i think it's support okay i'll get that

1217
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,079
checked

1218
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:16,480
the only reason i'm doing all the the

1219
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,359
press and so i'm kind of

1220
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,280
other people are

1221
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:23,760
handling that they i do touch base with

1222
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:25,359
them off

1223
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:27,200
many many times a day

1224
00:43:31,150 --> 00:43:29,119
no no that's fine just checking on the

1225
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,160
website as well it does say tech at

1226
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:33,440
aerialphenomenon.com so yeah you use the

1227
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:34,960
tech one folks but that's just in the

1228
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:36,800
rare circumstances now that you have any

1229
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:38,160
issues but

1230
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:39,440
people are watching it people are

1231
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:40,560
streaming it i've seen plenty of

1232
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:41,920
comments on fox saying how much they've

1233
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:43,760
loved it so those bugs are certainly

1234
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:45,920
being worked out the system uh randall a

1235
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:47,359
couple of listener questions to finish

1236
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:49,680
off if you don't mind sure

1237
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:51,440
so the first question uh we had a very

1238
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:53,680
similar question from mr calhoun and

1239
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:54,480
mark

1240
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,319
did any of the kids involved in the

1241
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,720
aerial school and their families have

1242
00:44:01,750 --> 00:44:00,240
any further encounters of high

1243
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:01,760
strangeness or even things like

1244
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,870
uh i can't say anything about that i i

1245
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:11,200
can't be specific um

1246
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:14,720
but because of uh let's just say the the

1247
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:18,000
answer is yes but uh i can't go into

1248
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:19,359
that

1249
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:24,960
you've spoken on several podcasts

1250
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:27,599
already and i won't be as remiss just to

1251
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:28,880
ask you the question because the answer

1252
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,520
is going to be no um on on jimmy church

1253
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,760
and somewhere in the skies you you said

1254
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,599
you won't talk about your own experience

1255
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:37,440
as it will detract from the story of the

1256
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,040
children and what you're trying to get

1257
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,520
across and your own personal reasons

1258
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:43,359
nick who listens to the podcast says

1259
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:45,680
that as an experiencer himself he very

1260
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:47,359
much appreciates that and would love to

1261
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:50,000
hear that when the time was right um is

1262
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:51,599
that a time you feel you will be able to

1263
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:54,880
talk about your own experiences

1264
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:59,109
i don't know when that time to me it's

1265
00:45:01,910 --> 00:45:00,960
not that important

1266
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:01,920
you know

1267
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:07,440
the pilots navy guys

1268
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:08,800
you know

1269
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:11,520
air force guys coming out they'll change

1270
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:12,319
it

1271
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,599
i won't

1272
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,880
hopefully and that's what we're hearing

1273
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:16,880
in congress that wasn't a part of the

1274
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:18,319
first hearings but hopefully going

1275
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:20,319
forward we do get we do get that sort of

1276
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:22,160
testimony coming out and a lot of people

1277
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:23,920
who listen to this podcast and watch

1278
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:25,920
this podcast tell us that they're

1279
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:28,000
experiencers and they have their own you

1280
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,760
know issues or

1281
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:31,200
these these threads throughout their

1282
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:32,560
life where they've had this involvement

1283
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:34,720
from something else and i think people

1284
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:36,079
like yourself coming out and just

1285
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:37,440
mentioning it on those mainstream

1286
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:39,200
platforms as well is a little bit of

1287
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,400
comfort and they feel a little bit

1288
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:42,480
vindicated that they hear even you're

1289
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:43,520
mentioning that you've had that

1290
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:46,160
experience good i you know and i salute

1291
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:47,520
those people

1292
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:49,040
because it's hard

1293
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:50,079
you know

1294
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,240
so i i salute those people and uh

1295
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,400
i guess that's kind of the drive is like

1296
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:58,880
let's help people that are not haven't

1297
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:00,880
been heard yet

1298
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:03,200
absolutely um vales your question was

1299
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:04,560
answered you had asked will there be

1300
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:05,920
extra footage or deleted scenes

1301
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:08,000
available when it comes to purchase uh

1302
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:11,200
the answer to that was yes uh james jack

1303
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,400
he asks why do you think uh and you sort

1304
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,640
of touched on this with the wales um

1305
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,720
answer earlier but why do you think this

1306
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:20,640
may have happened in zimbabwe where it

1307
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,280
did any ideas at all and maybe why a

1308
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:25,440
school

1309
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:33,270
yeah the public would probably

1310
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,440
want to be aware of that

1311
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:38,160
at some point um

1312
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,960
i don't know i there will be somebody

1313
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,480
speaking

1314
00:46:47,370 --> 00:46:44,319
pretty soon about

1315
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:47,380
the reason they think this happened from

1316
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:50,400
[Music]

1317
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:54,160
a higher level perspective um

1318
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,280
but uh

1319
00:47:02,630 --> 00:46:59,280
i mean it's just interesting you know

1320
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:02,640
why kids and um

1321
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:05,599
they kind of make sense to me you

1322
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,480
you know uh just i go again back to the

1323
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,640
wildlife perspective

1324
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:12,720
kids tell you a lot you know the pups

1325
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:13,920
tell you a lot

1326
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:21,359
um i spent a lot of time with baboons

1327
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:23,599
and a troop following them around for a

1328
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:26,240
long period of time but anyway

1329
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:27,520
um

1330
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:29,200
yeah i don't know how else to answer

1331
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:30,880
that um there's there's definitely going

1332
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:32,559
to be some other

1333
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:33,680
um

1334
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:35,839
pretty big things that have to do with

1335
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:39,119
this particular event that i can't speak

1336
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:41,599
about but other people will

1337
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:42,880
was there ever

1338
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,000
a mention or talk of the uranium mines

1339
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,480
that are about 30 to 50 miles from the

1340
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:50,640
school being a reason potentially for

1341
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:52,400
this case and it's

1342
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:55,760
its vicinity to where it was

1343
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:58,240
um

1344
00:48:02,470 --> 00:48:00,319
that's yeah there's somebody else that

1345
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,480
can speak about that but uh i don't know

1346
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:04,640
where you heard that that's uh

1347
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:06,319
somebody was that a viewer that said

1348
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:07,440
something

1349
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:08,880
do you know what a few people have

1350
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:11,280
mentioned this and a couple of listeners

1351
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:13,119
got in touch with that as well but i

1352
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:15,359
know other people have have brought that

1353
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:16,960
up as

1354
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:18,960
as something in that area

1355
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:25,750
i'd rather have the person that is much

1356
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:26,559
more

1357
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:29,760
uh credible in a in an official way

1358
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:31,520
speak about that

1359
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,960
i think people are getting more switched

1360
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:34,800
on to even some of these older incidents

1361
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:35,760
that maybe things that weren't

1362
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:37,520
considered at the time they're now

1363
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:39,520
looking back to see are there nuclear

1364
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,839
tests nearby as they are you know again

1365
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:43,920
uranium mines things like that and you

1366
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:45,520
start to piece together that actually a

1367
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,160
lot of these these locations maybe have

1368
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:50,640
things in common that 20 30 years ago we

1369
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:52,160
didn't realize but but that'll be

1370
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:53,760
interesting to see if further

1371
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:55,839
information comes out on that yeah we

1372
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:56,800
you know we

1373
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:59,040
we we're able to see now our entire

1374
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,280
planet from all these high-res

1375
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:03,520
satellites i mean

1376
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:05,520
it's a different world so we can see a

1377
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:07,440
bigger picture and start to put those

1378
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:09,839
things together where we just didn't

1379
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:13,280
have the tech to do it now we do

1380
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,040
ryan wanted to know that he's heard

1381
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:17,359
there was a second craft potentially is

1382
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:19,200
that true or was it just the one craft

1383
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:21,440
it was seen

1384
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:23,359
no i well

1385
00:49:28,140 --> 00:49:26,400
it was one main event but in the sky

1386
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:28,150
beforehand

1387
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:29,359
[Music]

1388
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:31,440
it it's a question mark but there was

1389
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:34,160
one main one and i've heard numerous

1390
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:36,079
times that there were more than one from

1391
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:38,079
from the witnesses

1392
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:39,119
so

1393
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:41,119
yeah please go on yeah

1394
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,240
you know so but the main event was one

1395
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:46,480
particular craft

1396
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:49,440
object whatever you want to call it oval

1397
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:51,200
an oval rock

1398
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:52,400
as some of the

1399
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:53,839
the the

1400
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:59,030
the people said in the village or it was

1401
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:01,920
like two baskets put together one upside

1402
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:04,000
down and one i mean

1403
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:07,040
they didn't even have the language for

1404
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:08,160
for um

1405
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:10,400
they didn't know anything about ufos

1406
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,839
flying saucers or any of that at all

1407
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:15,599
that's that's one of the beauties of

1408
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:17,599
this this story is we hear the story

1409
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,680
very much told from a perspective as and

1410
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:21,119
when it happened and some of those

1411
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:22,640
children have grown up but we've only

1412
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:24,000
heard from a couple of them you've

1413
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:26,960
spoken to many more off the record

1414
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:28,720
is there any danger in your opinion

1415
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:30,400
given you've spoken to these people who

1416
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:32,720
don't want to come forward that if other

1417
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:34,640
witnesses to the event do

1418
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:37,760
given the length of time that's passed

1419
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:39,839
does the story change at all the details

1420
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:42,160
get added that maybe did or didn't

1421
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:44,079
happen but because of the length of time

1422
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:45,839
we talked about how memories change over

1423
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:48,800
time and could that dilute the story or

1424
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:50,480
do you think there's the possibility to

1425
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:51,920
enhance the story

1426
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:54,400
oh i think it'll enhance it i i don't i

1427
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,559
mean at least everybody i've talked to

1428
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:58,319
they've never added or subtracted

1429
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,160
anything to their story because they

1430
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:02,640
remember like it happened yesterday

1431
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:04,480
you know when something like this

1432
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:07,200
happens to you you don't ever forget it

1433
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:09,680
you know it's clear

1434
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,160
so i i don't i'm not worried about that

1435
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:14,480
not at all if anything more witnesses

1436
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:16,319
that come forward the more it's going to

1437
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:17,520
be

1438
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:19,280
um

1439
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:20,800
validated

1440
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:22,319
that's a positive because what i'm even

1441
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:24,160
thinking as we hear about the famous

1442
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:25,520
infamous famous whatever you want to

1443
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,000
call it now tic tac event that as more

1444
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,319
military witnesses have come forward and

1445
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:32,480
the stories are changed slightly people

1446
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:33,920
start to even call each other out is

1447
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:35,440
what this isn't saying no that never

1448
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:37,359
happened and that data wasn't taken away

1449
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:39,280
actually that data was taken away we saw

1450
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:41,599
who took it away and it starts to muddy

1451
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:43,599
the water slightly but again as time

1452
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,079
changes and slight details change and

1453
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,400
with social media being how it is

1454
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:50,400
everyone's an expert you know and a

1455
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:51,520
detective

1456
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:53,119
well it's like a bunch of squirrels like

1457
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:54,559
we are you know

1458
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:57,119
running around talking about

1459
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:59,040
meanwhile we got a bigger problem going

1460
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:59,760
on

1461
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:00,880
you know

1462
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:03,200
we we get into our own little

1463
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:07,119
circles of social and uh

1464
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:08,880
animals do the same thing

1465
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:12,079
and uh we got a much bigger problem and

1466
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,599
that's what we need to pay attention to

1467
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:15,599
and that's what universities need to be

1468
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:18,079
like really in my opinion we need to

1469
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:19,520
address it

1470
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:22,160
to to understand what we're dealing with

1471
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:25,040
and what their intentions are

1472
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:26,480
and

1473
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:28,880
start to get some hard facts on paper so

1474
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:31,280
we can actually look at it and make good

1475
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:33,280
decisions

1476
00:52:36,549 --> 00:52:34,800
and you say that about education i'm

1477
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:36,559
just going to pull up now really i never

1478
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:39,040
do this really unprofessional but um my

1479
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:41,520
regular co-host dan he mentioned earlier

1480
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,319
on twitter that a scholastic news which

1481
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:46,559
is a magazine or a magazine that goes

1482
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:49,520
around educational facilities this month

1483
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:51,520
the front page is our aliens out there

1484
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:53,839
big picture of a flying saucer and this

1485
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:55,839
is going around classrooms that teachers

1486
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:57,839
and students will see so that exposure

1487
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:58,720
to the

1488
00:53:01,430 --> 00:53:00,240
the educational side of things as they

1489
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:01,440
are and it's got a little timeline

1490
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:03,520
within it of of famous sightings and

1491
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:05,200
everything like that as well so

1492
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:06,640
that that really will help those kind of

1493
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:08,640
future generations push this this topic

1494
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:10,960
forward the future you know the younger

1495
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:12,960
generations are already there

1496
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,440
they already they're gonna they're gonna

1497
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:17,440
they're gonna um

1498
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:19,200
take off where were

1499
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:22,000
our generation and my parents generation

1500
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:23,760
i don't want to say failed

1501
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:27,119
but just didn't pick up the ball

1502
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:29,040
uh and i just want to give dave a little

1503
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:30,880
shout out one of the long time listeners

1504
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:33,359
and he did have a uranium mining and his

1505
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:34,800
question by the way so i just want to

1506
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:36,319
give him a little bit of acknowledgement

1507
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:39,440
um on that one too so thanks dave um and

1508
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:42,160
one more thing for me randall i wonder

1509
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:44,480
your opinion on this that the children

1510
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:46,319
report that they were told at the time

1511
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:47,760
and this was the mid 90s about

1512
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:50,079
environmental messages and the dangers

1513
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:53,359
of technology and whatnot do you think

1514
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:55,440
we talked about time as well and

1515
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:57,200
potential time travel and whatnot that

1516
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:59,040
comes into the hypothesis of these

1517
00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:00,079
beings

1518
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:02,160
do you think those children and that

1519
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:04,480
event happened when it did not for it to

1520
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:06,559
be a story at the time but for that

1521
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,640
story to be told now

1522
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,640
because as this documentary has been

1523
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:12,240
released it just happens to be in the

1524
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:14,480
same year we have congressional hearings

1525
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:16,319
as the mainstream picks up on the story

1526
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:18,480
again not too long after we've had the

1527
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:21,280
uap task force report and things seem to

1528
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:23,040
be picking up steam what do you think of

1529
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:25,520
that kind of causality synchronicity or

1530
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:28,640
a relationship between then and now

1531
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:30,400
um

1532
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:32,720
yeah it was a lot of film people that

1533
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:34,800
actually told me that you're not in

1534
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:35,839
control

1535
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,400
of the film the film will decide when it

1536
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:40,559
wants to come out or needs to come out

1537
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:43,280
that may sound strange um but

1538
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:44,880
that's true

1539
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:45,839
um

1540
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,160
it was in january of this year

1541
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:50,720
and uh when i was like it's time

1542
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:53,280
i just knew like

1543
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:55,119
the film wants to come out now it's not

1544
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:56,720
strange it's like its own entity and

1545
00:55:02,390 --> 00:54:59,680
when you put so much energy and time and

1546
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:02,400
passion into any project there there's a

1547
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,520
time

1548
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:05,119
that it'll it'll

1549
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:07,280
let you know in some weird way it's very

1550
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:09,040
strange to be honest

1551
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:10,000
um

1552
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:13,040
but i yeah it came out exactly when it

1553
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:14,880
needed to

1554
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:16,799
yeah and it's having a profound effect

1555
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:17,839
as well like

1556
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:20,240
i loved it i thought it was great well

1557
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,520
thank you

1558
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:23,520
um i want to ask though it's had a

1559
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:26,640
hugely positive reaction and has this

1560
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:29,599
release and the the reaction to it

1561
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:31,520
driven you to make anything else on the

1562
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:33,280
subject and are you thinking that the

1563
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:34,480
next piece you make in the next

1564
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:36,640
documentary is again going to be ufo

1565
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:38,640
related

1566
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:39,920
well personally i'd like to make a

1567
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:40,690
nature film

1568
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:42,240
[Laughter]

1569
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:43,920
um but

1570
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:45,920
but this is part of nature that's the

1571
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:49,359
thing that uh we don't understand on a

1572
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:51,599
large scale yet but um

1573
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:55,760
yeah i i don't think this is over um

1574
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:58,480
and i am thinking about what the next

1575
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:00,960
step is you know what

1576
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:03,599
what does what do we need to

1577
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:05,680
to be hearing or

1578
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:07,280
what do we need to know about at this

1579
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:09,680
point what's the next uh thing that

1580
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:12,400
humanity is gonna have to get used to

1581
00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:13,680
um

1582
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:15,839
and so it is on my mind of course

1583
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:18,400
because this is a long project that's

1584
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:20,000
closing

1585
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:21,920
and you know aft after the director's

1586
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:24,559
cut is released then i then i i have a i

1587
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:26,559
have a project that i already know what

1588
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,799
it is um but i can't speak about it

1589
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:30,480
because as soon as nobody knows about it

1590
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:31,839
so

1591
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:37,119
to do it themselves and i don't want

1592
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:38,720
that to happen

1593
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:41,200
sure you've done a lot of work on it

1594
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:42,640
no i can appreciate that we've all been

1595
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:44,000
there we've announced something on a

1596
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:45,280
podcast and before you know it and

1597
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:46,559
you've had the chance to record that

1598
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:48,400
someone else releases a very similar

1599
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:50,160
version

1600
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:52,480
the film world it's brutal

1601
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:54,319
yeah and it's funny you mentioned nature

1602
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:56,799
just as we finish up my regular co-host

1603
00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:59,359
dan just released his first own spin-off

1604
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:01,520
show to this colouring outside the lines

1605
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:03,119
and his guest was our doctor michelle

1606
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,599
fournier and the the whole episode is on

1607
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:07,680
whale language and decoding how whales

1608
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:09,520
speak to each other in whale song but

1609
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,160
very much with an underlying tone of

1610
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:14,880
alien language and you know other

1611
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:16,559
non-human intelligence and how it can

1612
00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:18,319
all come background and

1613
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:19,839
if anyone has an interest in especially

1614
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:21,280
what you're saying about nature and the

1615
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:23,680
connection between ufos certainly check

1616
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:25,520
that one out i'd love to see it could

1617
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:27,359
you send me the link to that i'll

1618
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:28,559
certainly put that and i'll put it in

1619
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:29,920
the link to the description as well but

1620
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:31,040
i'll send it over to you randall don't

1621
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:32,240
worry thank you i appreciate it because

1622
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:33,520
i really love

1623
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:36,000
to that's that's right up my alley it

1624
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:37,599
goes off the beaten track but it keeps a

1625
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:39,760
relevance that we don't normally get to

1626
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:41,680
on this podcast so um you'll appreciate

1627
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:42,960
it you'll enjoy it

1628
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:44,720
but folks listen this is genuinely one

1629
00:57:49,870 --> 00:57:46,400
of the best documentaries on the ufo

1630
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:49,880
subject i have ever seen um

1631
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:51,440
www.aerialphenomenon.com it's available

1632
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:53,040
to rent now it will be available to

1633
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:55,359
purchase soon and i highly recommend it

1634
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:56,640
randall thank you very much for your

1635
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,400
time andrew thank you so much be well

1636
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:02,480
that is all for this week's show thank

1637
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:04,480
you very much for listening please

1638
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:06,480
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1639
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:09,119
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1640
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:11,440
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1641
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:13,359
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1642
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:15,520
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1643
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:17,040
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1644
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:19,520
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1645
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:22,240
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1646
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:24,480
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1647
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:27,280
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1648
00:58:32,549 --> 00:58:30,480
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1649
00:58:35,610 --> 00:58:32,559
and again folks as always keep looking

1650
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:35,620
up you never know what you might see

1651
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:50,789
quite steampunk like alice was playing

1652
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:52,480
face for the parliament effect the

1653
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:54,400
little [\h__\h] right inside of my window

1654
00:59:02,750 --> 00:58:55,920
when i shoved out the screen he made it

1655
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:25,300
[Music]

1656
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:46,510
that doesn't really scare me

1657
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:53,280
[Music]

1658
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:54,799
if you really want to know who i think

1659
01:00:06,570 --> 00:59:57,359
they'd be against you and me and us and

1660
01:00:06,580 --> 01:00:10,870
[Music]

1661
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:13,030
for being

1662
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:14,160
consider your serious

1663
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:16,240
consider time consider your space

1664
01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:32,130
[Music]

1665
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:43,119
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

1666
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:03,910
[Music]

1667
01:01:14,860 --> 01:01:05,730
it's very smooth

1668
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:31,510
[Music]

1669
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,860
thank you